Turbon mitoitus teoriaa/ dynotuloksia

Turbot, Remmiahtimet, Tuplaturbot, Remmiturbot,Kemiallinen ahtaminen jne.
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Turbon mitoitus teoriaa/ dynotuloksia

Viesti Kirjoittaja Vekke » 11 Marras 2018, 21:52

Mie olen tässä pikkuhiljaa perehtynyt turbojen mitoitukseen.
Eli yrittänyt selvittää missä huipputeho tulee milläkin turbolla. Jonkinlaiselle kärylle olen asiasta päässyt kattelemalla dynotuloksia vertaamalla moottorin iskutilavuus cc ja sit turbiinin exducerin poikkipinta-ala tuosta tulee suhdeluku joka kertoo missä suurinpiirtein maksimiteho saavutetaan. Maksimitehon jälkeen tehollista kierroslukua on vielä noin 500rpm jälellä ja sit veto loppuu.

1,2-1,4 on 5500-5000rpm Korkea viritysaste
1.4-1,6 on 5000-4500rpm, Hyvä käyttis, eli herää vielä alhaalta GTC tai GTD turboilla
1,6-1,8 on 4500-4000rpm vakioautot
1,8-2,0 on 4000-3500rpm uusissa autoissa ajetaan pienillä kierroksilla isoilla vaihteilla niin ne herää aikasin

Tuo ei kerro vielä heräämisestä tms mitään vaan siihen vaikuttaa aika paljon miten uutta versioita turbo on. Eli compura siipien puolella on tapahtunut suurenpaa kehitystä. Mitä uudempi niin sen alempaa lähtee ahtamaan ja ylemmäs vetää. Tässä voi miettiä sit miten omassa autossa on välitykset pisimmillä välityksillä.

Nuo mistä puuttuu maksimikierrosluku on miun teoreettisia laskelmia joita ei ole vahvistettu missä se maksimi kierrosluku saavutetaan noilla turboilla.

Kuva

Tähän alle voisitte laittoo omia dynotuloksia, eli missä kierrosluvulla tulee maksimiteho milläkin turbolla ja mikä on moottorinkoko cc. Sit saisin vähän lisää lihaa tuohon taulukkoon.


Tuolta voipi katella turbojen mittoja:
I collected all the turbos and dimensions that I found in this topic. None of the measurements are my own. List is now in somewhat size order so its easier to look what is the next step in size bigger or smaller.

Kuva

GTD1241VZ
Toyota 1.4D4D from 2015 -
Garrett Part Number 834081-5003S
OE Part Number 172010N070 OE
Direct Service Replacement -
Turbo Technology VNT
Actuation Electric

BV39 from 1.4TDI 90hp ATL product code 54399880015
cw 27,6/41,0
tw 38,3/about 34,5mm


Gtd1244vz
Cw 29.5/44 ett 45.5
Tw 31.5/35


gtc1444vz "imo the perfect HP or single for a 1.2/1.4l R3"
Comp: 31x44, A/R .44
Turbine: 39x33, A/R .74

GTD1446VZ from Volvo 31493379



GTD1449VZ
compressor wheel: (6+6 billet)
inducer: 37mm
exducer: 49mm
extended tip: 50,5mm
trim: 57
A/R: 0,46
turbine wheel: (9 blades)
exducer: 36mm


GTD1449VK - from Mercedes e220d 143kw

GTB1549VK Chevrolet Captiva 148hp
Compressor
inducer/exducer: 36.4 / 49mm
A/R: 0.42
Turbine
exducer/inducer: 43 / 35.7mm
A/R: 0.74

gtc1549vz P/N 03L 145 721B, ... "supports max PR=3.4 and 0.18 kg/sec (24 lb/min"
cw - 36/49
tw - 37.57/41



1.9tdi Garrett designated turbos-- intake Bore-------- Exhaust Bore

GT 1749 V (GT15) ---------------33.68mm -----------------36.6mm

GT 1749 VA-----------------------35.3mm-------------------37.2mm

GT 1749 VB (THE"17) -----------37.0mm ------------------38.2mm


1749vc 2.0 tdi 170 cr
intake:
inducer:36.5mm
exducer:49 mm
AR 42
exhaust:
inducer :43mm
exducer:37.8mm

GTB1749VM (GT1749VC) 2,0TDI 170hp
Compressor
inducer/exducer: 36.4 / 49mm
A/R: 0.42
Turbine
exducer/inducer: 43 / 38mm
A/R: 0.62



GTD1749VR 839765-0001(i.e. 4th generation VNT, roller bearings) for FIAT;

BV43 PD170
compressor side ( 5blades ):
ind. = 37.9mm
ex. = 49mm??

GTB1749VK from 4.2 TDI ( 057145722N,765312-2)
compressor wheel:
36mm inlet
49mm outlet
12 blades
turbine wheel:
38mm outlet
43mm inlet
9 blades


MHI TFO35HL6b-13TB/VG BMW 320D 177hp
Compressor
inducer/exducer: 38.3 / 51mm
Turbine
exducer/inducer: 43.2 / 37.8mm

GTB1752V VW T5 174hp
Compressor
inducer/exducer: 38.6 / 52mm
A/R: 0.45
Turbine
exducer/inducer: 43 / 39.5mm
A/R: 0.74

GTB1752V off of the renault traffic master.
Comp wheel
Inducer = 36.77mm
Exducer = 52.00mm
Trim = 50
Comp hsg A/R = 0.53
Turbine wheel
Inducer = 43.00mm
Trim = 84
Turbine hsg A/R = 0.74
It is also water cooled.

GTD1752VRK :
1.Ceramic ball bearing
2. Billet Cw : 52mm/36mm , 8+0 blades
3. Tw : 43mm / 39.5 mm , 11blades
4. VNT 4th generation (i belive ) with 12vanes .

GTD1752vrk
Compressor
induser 36.0mm
exdusor 52.1mm
with extended tips 53.7mm
wide 3.5mm at outlet
bearing housing with integrated compressor back plate
8 bles no splitt relative big diffuser 126/155
A/R 0.52
Turbine
inlet 43.0mm
outlet 39.4mm
wide 8.1mm
fullback disc
state on exhaust house A/R 0.71
on exhaust house state M68, connection size?

gtb1756vk audi 2.7 tdi 190 bhp
intake:
inducer:41.5mm
exducer:56 mm
AR 45
exhaust:
inducer :43mm!!!
exducer:40mm



Garrett GT2056V from NISSAN,
A/R .53
Intake
Inducer:39.55
Exducer:56mm
Exhaust
Inducer:47mm
Exducer:42.7


GTA2056V Jeep Liberty 2.8L CRD
Compressor
Wheel Inducer: 39.55mm
Wheel Exducer: 56mm (49 Trim)
.53 A/R
Turbine
Wheel Inducer: 47mm
Wheel Exducer: 42.7mm
.64 A/R

gtb2056vk audi q7 version 3.0 tdi 233 bhp
intake:
inducer:41.5mm
exducer:56 mm
AR 45
exhaust:
inducer :47mm!!!
exducer:43mm

volvo gtb2056vl
Compressor (6 main blades) inducer/exducer: 39.6mm / 56mm
Turbine (9 blades) exducer/inducer: 42mm / 47mm
Compressor A/R: 0.45
Turbine A/R: 0.64

GTB2056v for Alfa 2.4 JTDm (210 Hp)
Compressor (6 main blades) inducer/exducer: 39.6mm / 56mm
Turbine (9 blades) exducer/inducer: 43mm / 47mm
Compressor A/R: 0.56
Turbine A/R: 0.7


GTD2056VZK - from Porsche Panamera 4s bi turbo
GTD2056VZK - from Bmw 125d M Sport - only the LP turbo

GTB2060VKLR is used in the new 240 and 258hp engines from mercedes as I know,
for sure also a great turbo for 1,9TDI.

compressor:
inducer: 44,5mm
exeducer: 60mm
turbine:
inducer: 47mm
exeducer: 44mm


Gtd2060vz - 059 145 873 b c from Audi 3.0D 2014 280CP


MGT2260SZ - 821402-5005s - Ford Mustang 2.3L ecoboost
CW : 47.2 / 60.00 / 62.05 8+0 blades mfs
TW : 44.5 / 49.8 9 blades , open face Watercooled

GT2256V Mercedes Sprinter 2.7L CDI.
Compressor
Inducer: 40.3mm
Exducer: 56mm (51.8 Trim)
.53 A/R
Turbine
Inducer: 50mm (est.)
Exducer: 42.7mm
.64 A/R


kkk bv50 3.0 tdi
Comp:
In: 43
Ex: 59
In: 50
Ex: 44.5
11 vanes, width 7mm



gtb2260vk water cooled (v12 tdi)
intake:
inducer: 44.5mm
exducer: 60mm
AR 50
exhaust:
inducer :50mm
exducer:45mm

gtb2260vk audi version 3.0 tdi 233/240 bhp:
intake:
inducer: 44.5mm
exducer: 60mm
AR 45
exhaust:
inducer :50mm
exducer:45mm


gtb2260vzk (3.0 tdi 240bhp 2010 version)
intake:
inducer: 44.5mm
exducer: 60mm
AR 56
exhaust:
inducer :50mm
exducer:45mm

gt2260v bmw 330d e90 233 bhp
intake:
inducer: 44.5mm
exducer: 60mm
AR .61(it doesn't say on the case)
exhaust:
inducer :50mm
exducer:45mm

GTD2263VZ - prototype

CW : Inducer 45mm / Exducer 63mm/ Extendet 66.5mm - 10blades
TW : Exducer 44.5m / Inducer 50mm - 9 baldes



GTD2355VZ 819872-0001 PEUGEOT

GT2359V - MB OM613, OM648,
Compressor
Inducer: 44.4mm
Exducer: 59.4mm
12 blades
55 trim
.51 A/R
Turbine
Inducer: 51.2mm
Exducer: 47mm
9 blades
NOT AMG!!!


GT2360V
Compressor
Inducer: 42.5mm
Exducer: 60.1mm
12 blades
50 trim
Turbine
Inducer: 51.1mm
Exducer: 47mm
9 blades


GT2556V BMW 730D P/N 454191-1
Compressor
Inducer: 40.3mm
Exducer: 56mm
Turbine
Inducer: 51.5mm
Exducer: 47mm

Holset HE211W/HE200WG:

Compressor:
Inducer: 40.6mm
Exducer: 56mm
6+6 blades
53 Trim
Turbine:
Inducer: 46.6mm
Exducer: 41.3mm
79 Trim
11 blades

The real spec on the Holset HE221W:
Compressor:
Inducer: 44.2mm (HX27W has a smaller inducer, supposed to be 41.5mm but I have not measured that one myself)
Exducer: 60mm
6+6 blades
54 Trim
Turbine:
Inducer: 52mm
Exducer: 46.6mm
80 Trim
11 blades (HX27W turbine is same size but 12 blades)


GT3063KLV
Compressor
Wheel Inducer: 43.7mm
Wheel Exducer: 63mm (48 Trim)
Turbine
Wheel Inducer: 53mm
Wheel Exducer: 47.4mm

gt3571v hino truck:
intake:
inducer: 50mm
exducer: 71mm
ar??
exhaust:
inducer :60mm
exducer:51mm

Garrett GTC3576v Volvo engine D8K up to 350HP 7,7 liter engine 811629-0012
Milled compressor with full 10 blade, no split blades, ported shroud/noise ring
indusor diameter 50,5mm
oudor diamter 77,0mm; 78,9mm with extended tip
wide at outlet 4,3mm

Turbine
indusor 67,8mm
outlet 55,2mm
wide at inlet 10,2mm
11 blade

Exhaust Bore size
36.60mm A/R=.65 on GT1749V and VNT15
37.26mm A/R=.61 on GT1749VA
38.23mm A/R=.61 on GT1749VB
38.65mm A/R=.62 on GT1749VC (Third generation vane)
40mm A/R=.74 on GTB1756VK (Third generation vane)
42mm A/R=.64 on GTB2056VL Volvo (Third generation vane)
43mm A/R=.59 on GTB2056VK Q7 (Third generation vane)
44.5mm A/R=.74 on GTB2260VK (Third generation vane)

Compressor Exducer size
44mm trim=55.6 (32.8mm inducer) A/R=.46 compressor old VNT15 AFN and early AHF
49mm trim=44.8 (32.8mm inducer) A/R=.46 compressor GT1749V and VNT15
49mm trim=48 (34mm inducer) A/R=.46 compressor GT1749VA
49mm trim=54 (36mm inducer) A/R=.46 compressor GT1749VB
48.9mm trim=55.1 (36.3mm inducer) A/R=.50 compressor GT1749VC (Third generation vane)
56mm trim=55 (41.5mm inducer) A/R=.45 compressor GTB1756VK (Third generation vane)
56mm trim=50 (39.6mm inducer) A/R=.45 compressor GTB2056VL Volvo (Third generation vane)
56mm trim=55 (41.5mm inducer) compressor GTB2056VK Q7 (Third generation vane)
60mm trim=55 (44.5mm inducer) A/R=.45 compressor GTB2260VK (Third generation vane)